Devotee: We were noting that when they were giving their lectures at that opening of the train station they seemed very demonic.
Prabhupāda: All demonic.
Brahmānanda: Their faces were very shifty.
Devotee: So much anxiety and so much political dealings.
Prabhupāda: All demon.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All very fatty.
Prabhupāda: They, they... the other's money.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. The peo... I didn't see one village man who was fatty, not one.
Prabhupāda: Not one. They're extracting money from them, making them intoxicated and exploiting. This is the fault. Very precarious condition. [break] So if you can make one example [break] India, that spot, very good example, then we can capture the whole India. Simply, we have got enough land. Give them enough food. Make them stout and strong, both the animal and man. And chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Let them hear. Everything will be all right. Everything will be ideal.
Devotee: No one can object either.
Prabhupāda: No. (chuckles)
Devotee: That's the beauty.
Prabhupāda: Make the whole field green, [break] sumptuously, let the animals eat, let the man eat. They feel satisfaction and they [break] He knows some people, they are being exploited, animals are being exploited by these rogues, fat, big, big, fat rogues. Discovering some nonsense, scientific means and people are starving. There is no food. And they're busy in discovering scientific method.
Yaśodānandana: Atomic bomb.
Yaśodānandana: Atomic bomb for India. That is the greatest paradox.
Prabhupāda: There was a picture... some deputation came to the minister that we are starving. There is no food. The administrator, he went, "Of course I have no information that you have no, but we're advanced now. Come tomorrow, there will be radio message. Radio message, radio, there's television, ha television..."
Prabhupāda: Television, tomorrow, from tomorrow you'll have television.
Yaśodānandana: Instead of food.
Prabhupāda: Instead of food you'll get television. (laughing) Advanced. This is going on. "I am hungry, sir. What shall I do with television?" That is the real answer. Say "I'm hungry. What shall I do with the television?" But he's pacifying, "Don't worry, you'll get television." This is science.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Cheaters.
Prabhupāda: This is science. People, for want of sufficient nourishment, they are becoming dwarf and they are discovering scientific method.
Brahmānanda: Intoxication... By increasing the intoxication the desire for food reduces. You eat less.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore they are very much dizzy. And little hunger satisfied with meat. That's all. That is going on in the western country. The drinking... I have seen in airplane, bottles after bottle, they are drinking.
Devotee: Every day.
Yaśodānandana: Actually they have run a survey in America and they have found out that the greatest drug takers are housewives. The housewives, they are taking these weight-watching pills and they are addictive amphetamines. They are taking them and it gives them energy and they don't want to eat so much. So they are very skinny. They drink a little coffee and smoke cigarettes and take some pills and that is all during the day. Finished. And they remain very slim. And they think this is nice. So gradually they are replacing foodstuffs with pills.
Prabhupāda: That is nature's way because there will be no food in the future. So nature is training them how to live without food.
Conversation with Devotees -- April 14, 1975, Hyderabad